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You Can Borrow £104,000 More From This Lender

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Christina Jordan

From the Fool blog

Christmas comes early for Centrica investors

Published in Mortgages on 5 August 2008

Which lender will lend you the biggest mortgage? The answer may surprise you...

There’s so much talk about buyers being squeezed out of the market by lenders tightening criteria, you’d be forgiven for thinking it was impossible to get a mortgage.

There’s only one way to find out. Armed with a PC and a desire for the truth, I decided to see how much five of the biggest lenders would offer four typical mortgagors.

I built a profile of my fake borrowers, including income and deposits, and set about hammering the mortgage calculators of the great and the good to find the most generous lender.

Firstly, the riders…

  • I did not complete full mortgage applications (I don’t want the credit footprint, thank you very much). I used the calculators provided on the lenders’ sites. In most cases these specify that the amount shown is the maximum they would be prepared to lend. The actual amount could be less and the lenders did not make mortgage offers.
  • I chose my five lenders based on a mixture of the Council of Mortgage Lenders’ list of the biggest lenders (by gross lending) in 2007, and my own fickleness – i.e. I took out Northern Rock.
  • My top five lenders are Halifax, Nationwide, Abbey, Cheltenham & Gloucester (C&G) and Barclays Woolwich.
  • I focused on prime mainstream lending using single and joint applications, first-time buyers and remortgagors, with examples at low and high loan-to-value borrowing.
  • All examples were based on a 25-year repayment mortgage.

Who needed what information?

Some of the calculators asked for more information than others.

C&G asked for the most information. It was the only lender, for example, which asked what my loan-to-value was (what proportion of the value of the property I needed to borrow, so it would be 90% if I had a 10% deposit). This can make a big difference to the lending decision so it was surprising the other lenders didn’t ask this question.

C&G also asked whether the deal was standard or buy to let, purchase or remortgage, how many applicants there were, how many dependants there were, whether or not I was a first-time buyer, my income and my outgoings.

Abbey asked for income and loan commitments only.

Nationwide asked for mortgage amount and term (but not property value or deposit), salaries, tax status and outgoings.

Halifax asked whether I was a first-time buyer or remortgagor, and if I was an existing Halifax customer or not, whether it was a joint or single application, if I had dependants, income and outgoings (but not property value or the size of my deposit).

Woolwich had two calculators. One asked only for income and the other worked work out monthly repayments, looking at mortgage size and deposit. It highlighted the minimum and maximum borrowings as you adjusted the sliding settings.

All very well, but what would they lend?

Overall, C&G would lend the most of any lender -- at least £48,000 more than any of the others on one particular case: a couple with 40% equity, who have no children and are earning £70,000 in joint income.

In fact, in the biggest difference seen across any of the tables, C&G would lend £104,000 more to this couple than Abbey would.

Abbey and Nationwide lent the least overall on our examples. Abbey was the least generous on joint applications, while Nationwide was the least generous with singletons. Overall, a single applicant with a high income could usually borrow more than joint applicants with two modest incomes.

The two lenders that asked for information on dependants used it strangely (in my view). In one case Halifax reduced the amount that could be borrowed by just £600 per dependant (not much over a mortgage term!) but on the other example valued the cost of one dependant at £1,900.

C&G reduced a mortgage by £11,000 for borrowers with one dependant, and costed kids at £11,500 each in another example.

On the last example -- a single remortgagor with just 10% equity on a modest property and on a modest income -- none of the lenders would offer a mortgage of more than £200,000.

The nitty gritty

Below are the four examples:

1. First-time buyers with a 10% deposit, based on joint salaries of £40,000 (£25,000 and £15,000)

Lender

Amount that could be borrowed

Halifax

Up to £180,000 if they had no children, and up to £179,400 with one child (difference per child £600)

Abbey

Up to £152,000

Nationwide

Up to £170,000

C&G

Up to £192,000 if they had no children or £181,000 if they had one child (difference per child £11,000)

Woolwich

Up to £200,000

 

2. Single first-time buyer with a 25% deposit based on salary of £60,000

 

Lender

Amount that could be borrowed

Halifax

Up to £300,000

Abbey

Up to £282,000

Nationwide

Up to £255,000

C&G

Up to £317,000

Woolwich

Up to £300,000

 

3. Remortgagors with 40% equity, earning £70,000 (£50,000 and £20,000)

 

Lender

Amount that could be borrowed

Halifax

Up to £315,000 with no kids and up to £311,200 if they had two children (difference of £1,900 per child)

Abbey

Up to £294,000

Nationwide

Up to £297,500

C&G

Up to £398,000 if they had no children and up to £375,000 if they had two children (difference of £11,500 per child)

Woolwich

Up to £350,000

 

4. Single remortgagor with 10% equity, earning £40,000

 

Lender

Amount that could be borrowed

Halifax

Up to £200,000

Abbey

Up to £172,000

Nationwide

Up to £170,000

C&G

Up to £201,000

Woolwich

Up to £200,000

 

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jonnie2thumbs 06 Aug 2008, 6:42am

can you spell 'pointless exercise'?

once they get your real details all bets are off........

please can I have a job at the MF - I do pointless stuff all day and I would love to get paid for it

ivdjugashvili 06 Aug 2008, 7:02am

I'm with jonnie2thumbs on this. And I have personal experience in the last 12 months which totally contradicts these findings. In fact I found Halifax (Via IF) to be the worst and C&G tried to screw me all ways. The best by far was Abbey - and we're not talking photo finish here. Abbey was more than a few furlongs ahead at the line.

noggin33 06 Aug 2008, 7:19am

I can confirm that if you make the application in the right way there can be remarkable flexibility on the limits they apply. You have to have a good credit record, secure job and high proportion of equity however.

danton123 06 Aug 2008, 7:34am

Why not contact a mortgage broker? Time is money...

derekafarmer 06 Aug 2008, 7:54am

Re the article on Mortgage-Lenders:
One important omission in the research is the age of the borrower !
As an "oldie", I find big restrictions on amount and term, even though I have life insurance and largish deposit.
Perhaps the Fool might care to look into "ageism" in the Mortgage industry.
and by the way, Never, Never, Ever go anywhere near CityFinance (part of the US Citigroup)
I did, and had a most traumatic experience.

silburbas 06 Aug 2008, 8:11am

Interesting article, but this does not cover the norm.

The average wages is ?£26k?, and the average kids is 2.4

What can you get with that, and compare that with the current housing prices....

It just lucky I manage to buy my house via Right to Buy from the Council and extended it.

I beleive this will be the boom, everyone is too poor to afford housing, so they get a house from the coucil, and wait couple of years and bingo, buy the house cheap from the council via Right To Buy......

moleylabbie 06 Aug 2008, 8:25am

I agree with the query on wages my husband and I only have a joint income of £27,000.00 and that's pretty good for our industries!

Also the comment on Abbey from ivdjugashvili - it's all very well them offering a mortgage but you try actually getting anything out of them! I'm having an ongoing arguement with them over this. They bombard us saying we're elligable for this loan/mortgage/credit card but when you apply they turn you down and won't say why! Following an article on here a few weeks ago I tried to get an Abbey Zero card and was declined without reason. I have challenged this and am now waiting the arrival of my new card - no apology though, yet others I know have got themselves in major debt because they get everything thrown at them. How do these lenders justify to whom and how much they lend?

xxzarr 06 Aug 2008, 8:33am

Bring back the early eighties, I had £8000 saved up, wanted to buy a house for £15,000, earning £110 per week + tips as a head waiter, my wife was a packer, earning £70 and we were told that our job status' was not good enough for a mortgage.

killickbecki 06 Aug 2008, 9:16am

I recently went on Nationwides mortgage calculator for a couple earning less than £30k total and they offered me maximum £400,000 if they had no other loans/credit card debts.

GrahamMiller0 06 Aug 2008, 9:28am

2. Single first-time buyer with a 25% deposit based on salary of £60,000

Is there such an animal? If so, I'm in the wrong job!

GrahamMiller0 06 Aug 2008, 9:30am

I suppose the point of the article is "do your research".

crocket1 06 Aug 2008, 9:57am

This is a pointless article. Sorry. When I read the headline I actually thought you were making various applications for your own self and going through the credit check process. How else could you confirm that what the lenders "say" they can offer actually matches up to what they "do".

andysuth 06 Aug 2008, 10:37am

...yet not one mention of a cost for comparison, an interest rate or a monthly repayment figure.

Or did I miss that?

Certainly mortgage lenders have always differed in what they will lend you, but my expereince is that the ones that lend you more don't neccessarily lend you cheapest.

Any reduction periods?

Quiet news day again?

This is the MF equivelent to the BBC's "The BBC has learned, Iraq's weapons dossier..." or "A top scientist now says 'Too much salt is bad for you.'"

Next time you write an article like this, maybe you should start "The Motley Fool has learned......" (just to give us warning).

bugdc 06 Aug 2008, 10:44am

can you spell 'pointless exercise'?

Yes: pointless exercise. The 'mortgage calculators' on websites are little more than advertisments, and bear little relation to what you might actually get offered. The article even points this out, saying that most of them didn't ask all the relevant questions that WOULD be asked when you eventually applied.

Those "offering" the highest amounts seem only to be trying to suck you in to applying to them - whether or not you need the full amount. If you're looking to borrow £100,000 and one lender's upper limit is £120,000 and another's is £160,000 then you will probably apply to the bank offering £160,000 (all else being equal) since you know they won't offer the full amount anyway and you're more likely to get accepted if you're well within thier "upper limit" that they have arbitrarily calculated!

muffindell 06 Aug 2008, 10:57am

I think the comments are a little harsh. It was purely an exercise to show potential mortgage value available. We all know when you actually come to it hat these figures will probably be much lower. The key thing is that the big players will all lend money, but the point that was missed was at what interest rate.

smooge 06 Aug 2008, 2:44pm

I think I don't much like the Motley Fool website any more ... too much personality politics and plugging for my liking. Oh for a return to the days when it was more altruistic in tone ... and oh! Stephen Bland. ;>

kdybell 06 Aug 2008, 5:34pm

I agreed with smooge.. there have been a plethora of useless articles lately. Time to unsubscribe I think.

etphonehome247 06 Aug 2008, 6:08pm

Well some of you have been a little harsh. So what, the writer got paid to do what most of you seem to deem a 'pointless exercise'? Good on them I say! We all read it, commented and it has given us some debate. Something lacking in todays society when people are just suckered into believing all the media hype about this and that. I enjoyed it..................it did put me off even considering a re-mortgage though!!!

obiwan011 06 Aug 2008, 11:20pm

How come it always seems to be the same companies that get recommended on here. I have been hunting through the mortgage market and found the best deals coming from RBS. Im currently applying for their fee free tracker which no one can beat. Its going to save me thousands in set up costs

ggpessimist 20 Aug 2008, 1:02pm

Do the MF article writers get paid for this sort of nonsense & others I have read recently.
If so, why not employ people with some knowledge & understanding of the markets they are writing about.

This is the third article in as many weeks which is at best pointless, at worst seriously likely to damage your wealth.
PS I don't want a job

john8pies 25 Aug 2008, 8:23pm

.....er , at the risk of seeming "quirky" , isn`t it actually better to borrow from the responsible lenders rather than those who would lend the most and then go face-up (does Northern Rock ring any bells?).....

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